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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 17, 2009 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Taken literally, and simplistically, ANY religion can claim moral authority, by definition, and therein lies the problem. You really can't discuss matters of faith with respect to humanistic interpretation because they just don't mix...and for those of a religious bent, that is as it should be (no one wants their faith open to constant revision and updating, and when they do, it reveals the fundamental limitation of the dogma at its core).

Now, that said, much of religion with respect to humanistic guiding principles is no more than logical and compelling extrapolations of the "Golden Rule" and, in and of themselves, make perfect sense to most everyone (except the fundamentalist sorts of any stripe alluded to above).

To live a "christian" life (in the sense of the generally held notion of what "Christ" stood for--divorced from religious dogma and such) is something I bet 95% of us here at the Forum would agree to...

And, it that sense, yes--I have no problem with acknowledging that most of the Founding Fathers aspired to that generalized, humanist approach to harmonious day to day existence with one another, and potential applications in a political and certainly societal context.

But, I feel that there is abundant evidence that many of them were very much concerned when it came to what they properly, IMHO, viewed as the fundamental issue with organized religions of all kinds: abuses, dogmatism, intolerance, and all manner of xenophobia. They rightfully recognized that the rights of others are perhaps most at risk at the hands of tyrants, and that tyrannical leadership has (and is?) most often in the form of so called leaders of organized religion or facist megalomaniacs (rarely, but sometimes combined).

Soap box anyone?

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 17, 2009 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Religions and flags are men's inventions to worship mostly themselves's own opinions . Tey write it down to pretend it's more real that way ,but in practice it's agimmick to justify their crimes ,tyrannies ,betrayals . America was supposed to be built to get away from religious oppressors and away from ravages of wars . But ,,inrealities america commited endless crimes to control a stolen continent ,get rich off the back of vulnerable workers ,devastated lands to pile up paper money ,sweep it all under the carpet with hypes about a god being on their side and what an admirable democraty they so called have . Their democraty ,is used to bomb foreign coutries ,corrupt politicians ,and brainwash the masses with medias's jives ,no one asking who is really making profits on all that !

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 17, 2009 6:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

in other words, basically what every society, civilized and non-civilized, has done since the beginning of human time on earth. no debate from me - we just do it better than anyone else (immoral at times though we may be)

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 18, 2009 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

We're number 1.

USA, USA, USA, USA............

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 18, 2009 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Peuh ! mandojammed !

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 18, 2009 7:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

saw that big wave on home page archive ,Mando ? That's how it was going to grateful dead shows in the eighties , oui,oui,oui, na !

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 18, 2009 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

But now front page wave already gone ,like much ot the rest of it here !

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Sep 18, 2009 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

once more Skies is proof that the French did fuck waterbuffalo

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 17, 2009 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Not better , direwolf ,only worse ,and not that great of an exemple for abetter future for humanity !the est f the world already knows that too!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 17, 2009 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

i think u missed my meaning frenchfry

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Poster: Grateful Rat Date: Sep 17, 2009 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

And this pertains to the grateful dead how???

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 17, 2009 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Do you aks the same questions to all the others here who talk about politics , Greteful rat ,or is it your happy sense of GD democraty that inspire you to talk now ?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 17, 2009 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

excellent WT!! may you find Windhorse in your journey

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 17, 2009 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Windhorse already invited for rides on cosmic trails;he is as Pegasus !

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 17, 2009 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

Go PM!!



Woooo Hooooooo


http://homeschooljourney.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/soap-box.jpg

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 17, 2009 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Constitution Day (Very non-Dead)

You go Tell! Very well said!